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big thank you to alex wagner. always a pleasure to have you. >> always a pleasure to be here. >> for all of your 2016 updates, until tomorrow we have this to say. >> namaste. >> hardball with chris matthews is next. trump alone. let's play hardball. good evening. the man who will be the republican nominee for president of this country stands on a mountain high up there and
alone. is that because they see no victory coming. >> amy fear is donald trump is the head of the narcissist party than the republican party. i think he's being very selfish. >> i do not support hillary clinton and i told the public i do not support donald trump either. i think he's too bigoted and racist. >> we got a long way to go. it seems to a lot of us that the train is off the track. not a lot of happy campers in terms of how this race is proceeding so far. >> it's painful. people even get divorces. sometimes things come about that, look, i'm sorry that this happened. we'll see where it ends up. i'm not making any final decision. at this point i just can't do it. >> donald trump's response to all that, who cares. yesterday he told supporters in atlanta that republican leaders need to be quiet.
>> republican, honestly, folk, our leaders have to get tougher. our leaders have to get a lot tougher. be quiet. don't talk. just be quiet to the leaders. they have to get tougher. they have the get sharper. we have to have our republicans either stick together or let me just do it by myself. i'll do very well. i'll do very well. >> let me do it by myself. perhaps the most troubling figure for trump right now is the number 70. according to the latest washington post abc poll, that his national unfavorable rating. it's a historic high for major party nominee for president. by comparisocomparison, hillary is viewed unfavorably by 55% of voters which is her highest negative number to date.
robert, you've been covering this guy for a long time. i guess my question is this the final plan of the republican party to say, you don't like hillary, vote for this guy. all we got on the republican side is a very high number, somewhere close to 50 of negativity toward hillary or more. >> chris, there's a sense within the party that trump is not of the party and he is just running for trump. some of them are comfortable with that. they think he can rouse working class voters and he could draw people to the polls. there's not an embrace of bringing him into fold and people trying to get him to the trump camp. they can't stop him at the moment but they have to survive and endure. >> what's it feel like to be shut off from this guy? how's the gag order working for the washington post? does the body of reporting at all. he's shut out more and more. everybody seems to be on this growing list of reporters that trump says can't come and cover
him. >> my reporting continues. so does the washington post. i've been talking to my trump sources today. this is trump. they will continue to ride that train. >> hang in there. let me go to michael steele. there's a howard biel thing catching on. when you say thing, i don't want your help and go away, shut up. >> he's always been an independent actor. he's been a lone wolf in terms of business and national media. this arrangement is that you have folks that have an opinion about what you're doing and they have a way in which they want you to do it. he's rejecting that. >> he needs five times the vote that he got. >> he's still running a primary
strategy in a general election in which case -- >> how's that going to work out for him? >> it's not going to work out. it will become more difficult later. the reality for trump right now, i think, chris, is does he want to share at least a little bit of that space with the party and its leadership so they can go into this convention and come out of it on a better footing than right now. they have to bring that 70% number down. they cannot afford to have it grow more or stick. >> a lot of people are born republicans. they will end up being dead republicans because this is the way they were brought up. why wouldn't you want those automatic republican votes if you're donald trump? >> you would. maybe you need to convert some of the ones who are democrats in
order to win. he's going in the other direction. as hillary clinton is consolidating her vote, bernie sanders is -- >> why is spiking to the highest negative after the best week she's had? i don't get this. she played it brilliantly. up to 55% negative. if it weren't for trump, she would be breaking a record. >> once you get a negative image -- >> but it's going up. donald trump is doing something to drive the republicans away. >> this is still within his grasp to move it in his direction. >> okay, earlier today senator john mccain accused president
obama of being, quote, directly responsible for the attack in orlando. here is the senator's reasoning. >> barack obama is directly responsible for pulling everybody out of iraq. al qaeda went to syria and became isis. isis is what it is today thanks to barack obama's utter failures by pulling everybody out of iraq making that conflict just because we leave. the responsibility lies with president barack obama and his failed policies. that's directly responsible. he pulled everybody out of iraq and i predicted at the time that isis would go unchecked and be at attacks on the united states of america. he's directly responsible. >> senator mccain tried to clarify. i misspoke. i didn't mean to imply that the
president was personally responsible. i was referring to his national security decisions, not the president himself. it quickly became political fodder. senator mccain's unhinged comments are the latest proof that senate republicans are puppets of donald trump. meanwhile trump's campaign manager seized on mccain's comments tweeting out the quote that the president was directly responsible. let me go back to robert on this. is this primary politics, general election politics. all afternoon, he was trying to pull it back but he ended up saying the same thing. the actions of president obama led to isis and ultimately to this attack. why are getting back into that blame game again.
anybody can play this game. what's the partisan ship getting unpleasant about all of a sudden? >> when senator mccain was up for re-election in 2010, we saw him ramp up his rhetoric on immigration. he see him when it comes to terrorism and national security doing the same kind of tactic and strategy. i think what you're seeing from mccain is what you're seeing from a lot of people, orlando has changed how they talk about national security and as mumpchs they are uncomfortable with trump, they sound like trump when they talk about the terrorists abroad. >> the voters do.
they want things to be less complicated. they're looking for the straightforward, from the hip response to some complex issues. >> i know how to do that too. you take all the baptist leaders of iraq and threw them out without pay and without respect. they will go find another army to fight in. >> if you look at those guys vulnerable to tea party challenges, they're afraid of the right. >> we saw it in 2010 with democrats on obama care. it's the same issue, only in reverse. >> i do respects mccain for his
war record and i do root for him all the time to say the right thing. he doesn't do it all the time. robert costa, good to have you back. we missed you. the star of the reporting team of the washington post. michael steele, thank you, sir. coming up, president obama goes to orlando today. he's one more in the role of consoler. back here in washington, the democrats filibuster on gun safety worked. they successfully pressure the republicans to hold votes in the senate on stricter gun laws. that's coming up ahead. we'll see if anything will get done. hillary clinton's battleground blitz. she's launching new campaigns in the key states that will decide the election. that's always smart. get him on the sidewalk and pounce. the hardball round table
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remembering those who you loved so deeply. as a nation, we've also been inspired by the courage of those who risk their lives and cared for others. >> welcome back to hardball. that was president obama. he was speaking earlier today in orlando. the president and vice president biden was there. both paid their respects to the 49 victims of sunday's nightclub attack. they also visited with families of the victims and survivors of the attack. for more on the visit i'm joined by nbc correspondent chris jansing. thank you. >> reporter: i have to tell you, the skies have opened up. it's really a torrential storm here. somehow it's like a metaphor. he said their grief is beyond description talking about the family members he met with for two hours today. afterward, he spoke for 17 mips
and talked about what was lost. about an 18-year-old girl whose parents told him how happy she was and what dreams she had. it also turned into the frustration. you could hear it in his voice and when he taked about how something had to be done and said the family members pleaded with him to make sure this doesn't happy again. then it turned to the politics. this is a president who has said before that the most frustrating thing, at least one of the most frustrate things about his presidency is he's not been able to get anything done legislatively in terms of the attack. he knows the clock is ticking. he's also had the highest approval rating and we heard determination in his voice even as he laid 49 white roses along
with joe biden at a memorial to the victims. chris. >> thank you. yesterday, democrats had a nearly 15-hour filibuster led by chris murphy and cory booker. >> question not go on with business as usual in this body. >> this individual could have been stopped. >> every member of this body has probably stated or tweeted or their thoughts and prayers for the victims in orlando. they want to see more than thoughts and prayers. they actually want to see us act. >> if we fail to act, the next time someone uses a gun to kill one of us, a gun that we could have kept out of the hands of a terrorist, that members of this congress will have blood on our hands. >> it doesn't take courage to stand here on the floor of the united states senate for two hours or six hours or 14 hours,
it doesn't take courage to stand up to the gun lobby when 90% of your constituents want change to happen. ask yourself, what can you do to make sure that orlando, or sandy hook never ever happens again. with deep gratitude to all those who have endures this very, very late night. i yield the floor. >> democrats are asking for votes to be held on two amendments to ban those on the terrorists watch list from obtaining gun licenses and whether to expand background checks to gun shows. the cheap sponsor of a bill banning people on the terror watch list from buying guns. how do you reconcile keeping people from buying guns on the watch list with their due process rights? >> well, we provide due process
rights. we provide administrative appear or court appeal or both. that can take place. i think the problem here is and i think director brennan addressed it when he said his assessment is we'll see increasing attempts at attacks. most of the people on this terrorist watch list, the overwhelming number are foreigners. either isil selecting or self-selecting themselves with no record to come into this country to buy a weapon and to engage in a terror attack. i can't say that's for sure for everybody. it sure is for some. what we want is those on the terrorists watch list have an opportunity to when they get the background check, the justice department can review it and if
they have considered the evidence in totality and feel that the individual is a threat to our nation's security, they can deny the purchase of a weapon. now, realistically, this is a small step. people who are felons, are fugitives, are addicts, who are misdemeanor domestic violence convictions, there's ten categories for which you can deny a weapon and no one is saying anything about those. a terrorists is not included in those ten categories. that's the problem. it should be. that's what we're trying to do. >> suppose a suspect, someone on the watch list goes into the gun store and tries to buy a semi-automatic rifle. they're on the list. what would happen?
>> i don't know what list you're talking to. >> the watch list. >> they're on the watch list and they go in to buy a gun. they have to do a background check. well, what we provide for is within the appropriations, a program to be set up where by computer, the database can be checked on that individual and what they know and if there's suspicions, the pin goes to the justice department, the justice department can evaluate it. if they see fit, they can stop the sale. right now the justice has no authority to stop the sale. >> how long can they stop it? >> well, they can just stop it. that individual will not be able to buy a weapon in this country, period. >> how about the republican option? do they have something like this that's more restrictive in terms
of the administration ability to do something like this? >> yeah. as i understand, the bill is a 72-hour provision. you have to have probable cause. probable cause is the standard under which an arrest can be made. under which you can go in and search an individual. this will reduce the numbers to very small and likely not be very efficient in really sensing out these people. these are people that you don't have that standard of information because you just don't know. what you do have with point out what has to be there in the bill. the justice department can make the finding and stop the sale. >> that would seem to be idiotic because it would say you have to go out and buy the gun first and put on a probable cause list. let me ask you about senator
mccain's comments that president obama is personally responsible then he said his actions are responsible by with drawing troops from iraq. >> that's not the john mccain that i know. i'm really sorry that he said that. i think what we need is more like and less hate on this subject. i don't think that's particularly helpful. i work with john. i have a great appreciation for him. i think he's wrong. >> great. i hope you run for re-election. that's my view. i hope you run again. one more term. thank you very much. >> thank you. sglrn joining inin inin ining cory booker. thank you for joining us.
how is this debate, it's very impressive filibuster, going to lead to an actual bill, something the president can sign? >> what i've been finding recently is how americans did not realize that you can be under investigation by the fbi, that you could have been put on the no fly list because you considered to be too dangerous to enter plane but you could still buy a truckload full of weapons. here we have this real war that we're on. a war against terrorism. we're telling our enemy to exploit this loophole. our enemy has said we want you to use this loophole to attack and kill americans. most of us know. we're at war. we need to shut down that loophole effectively. we need to do it as quickly as possible so we don't see more of these horrific attacks like we saw. >> not to make the case for the gun guys but they have the argument that getting on an airplane is not a right. owning a gun is a right. how do we deal with the due
process problem? >> first of all, i do see one. i really do. first of all, you and i both know first amendment, second amendment. none of these are absolute rights. i don't have the right to slander. we have understandable restrictions on those rights. americans understand if you have a person bent on terror, we should do what's necessary to prevent them from getting a gun. if mistakes are made, because we know there are. there should be a process that a person can read that complaint. that's what we have in the bill that will be voted on next week. >> the fbi, can the fbi say you can't get on an airplane. you can't buy a gun.
do you have to go to a judge to get that kind of ruling in any particular case? >> i think it's reasonable law enforcement. if those conditions are met that have triggered an fbi investigation. there's a reasonable suspicion this person is involved in terrorist activity. law enforcement does these things of things every single day. there's rules and barriers that they have to obey. i have no problem with that. as long as there's due process abilities. >> so much of law making is balancing. you know that, sir. the people in new jersey have talked and is it time to recognize that the terrorist threat is dire and we have to take steps to deal with that. do they see the need to deal
with restrictions in this case because of the terrorists threat. >> i think when people see these horrific mass shootings, the worst one we had in our country's history. i think people understand we're in an ongoing war where there are people every day plotting at ways to try to attack and take away our way of life. this is not crazy. let's put a pause on your ability to buy a gun. it's as simple as that and not give the terrorists back doors to avoid the background checks by letting them go to the internet or gun shows. let's create a real wall of terrorists getting weapons.
in this country we're saying terrorists, here is a massive loophole you can go through. >> prior to 9/11, we gave them flying lessons. thank you for common sense, for coming on this show too. coming up, 17 years ago donald trump said oprah winfrey would make a great running mate. today winfrey is coming out in support of hillary clinton. we're turning back the hardball clock when we return. this is hardball, the place for politics. diarrhea and abdominal pain. whdon't you start without me? oh. yeah. if you're living with frequent, unpredictable diarrhea and abdominal pain, you may have irritable bowel syndrome with diarrhea, or ibs-d. a ndition that can be really frustrang. talk to your doctor about viberzi, a different way to treat ibs-d. viberzi is a prescription talk to your doctor about viberzi, medication you take every day that helps proactively manage both diarrhea and abdominal pain at the same time. so you stay ahead of your symptoms. viberzi can cause new
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the kind of leader she is and the kind of president she'll be. >> i'm hillary clinton, and i approve this message. >> she got two important endorsements. first fr the second came from super celebrity, oprah winfrey. here is what oprah winfrey told good morning america today. >> i'm with her. i have to say i'm with her. i would also say that regardless of your politics, you cannot be a woman in the world and not see that this is a monumental time for women breaking the ceiling. >> this comes as a boomerang blow to donald trump who saw a
different way for operah winfre. >> would you consider a woman and who? >> i would consider and i threw out name of a friend of mine. she's great. some people thought it was incredible idea. some people didn't, but oprah. i said oprah winfrey who is really great. i think we would be a very formidable team. >> ads to make you seem nicer. that was an ad that seemed to be aimed at this is the hillary you don't see. that's what they know. >> they've been doing great job of beating up on donald trump and saying he's way worse than i
am. that's not good enough looking at her structural problems and her main structure problem is the like about issue. they see a new opportunity. they're going into a general election and try to introduce her again. >> what do you think about these ads. clearly, we would all like to have one done about us. i don't know about you. >> you have a tv show. serve million dollars to run an ad campaign. >> i'm not convinced that exists. >> i think there are two things about these ads. >> i don't think it's a coincidence when they started
running. perfect juxtaposition. hillary very warm, open, responsible, thoughtful. compare that with donald trump who has been shooting his mouth off for the last six months and it always ends up with his foot right in it. when you look at these ads, what do you see a lot of, white women. republicans usually win white women. if hillary chips into that enough, which she has already. she's either tied with white women and trump in some poll, or trump is ahead. if she chips away at that, she wins the election. >> she's already making that appeal on several other fronts including to security moms on
foreign policy issues. she's letting him walk his way with the things he's said. that's something that unites all women with the experience of motherhood and children. it can hurt her. that's the main problem, chris that they have. they never site like policy differences with her. it's more they find her. >> even after a really great week, it did make sense to me. >> these polls tend to be pretty noisy. i wouldn't read too much into that. the person who should be really worried about negatives is donald trump. he has a 29% favorability rating. that's astonishingly. that's george w. bush level low.
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welcome back to hardball. democrats are anxious ri awaiting now bernie sanders next move. sanders is set to deliver a live streaming video address at 8:30. in an e-mail announcing the speech, the sanders campaign called this a critical moment. in order for the work to be long lasting for years to come, we must continue our political revolution. it signed in solidarity. that's the phrase by jeff weaver. sanders does not plan to concede the race even though hillary clinton has effectively secured the democratic nomination. first of all, let me start with colleen about this.
where is bernie sanders in this race? he has a lot of delegates. he has a movement. what's he going to do with that between now. it's obviously going to be unconvention unconventional. >> we wants a couple of things. he wants to see a path to keep his movement alive. he wants to feel like he got something from the clinton campaign. he's asking for ideas of his to be reflected in the democratic party platform. he's froebl not going to get most of those things. they're not going to suddenly turn around and say we'll be for a single payer health care system. he's in danger of overplaying his hand if he pushes this too far. >> if you're hillary clinton and you want to look at it, you want to look good by being magnanimous or do you want to look strong by saying, bernie, nice try, but i won. how do you position yourself?
>> i think they are in danger of overplaying their hand. as you transition from this primary campaign where progressives or the battle within the democratic party, suddenly she's facing donald trump who will unify democrats the way no other character in american political history has. she doesn't need to worry about her left flank in a fight against donald trump. i think there's real danger here that they think they have more leverage than they actually do. >> i have a mixed opinion here. i'm not totally unsentimental. i look at bernie sanders, i look at him and go he's had this crowd cheering him now. he's 74-year-old man. he's had a crowd cheering him like a rock star for a year. to walk away from that will be very hard. he doesn't want to give up the gun and say i'm out of this fight. he does, i guess it's about balancing. he's not going to get all the social stuff he wants. if hillary gives him the social stuff and she gives him social
security benefits way beyond what people are paying into it and turns it into a welfare program and it's a right. i'm not sure what that means. you force people to go to medical school or nursing school because of to do it because we made this commitment. how does that physically work? >> just back to the question of what does he want. >> i have a freedom of religion, freedom of press. what's a right to something? i'm not sure how that works because somebody else has to give it to you. >> the obama administration would argue they have given the right to health care through obama care. well, requirement. i think some of this is about his ego. a 74-year-old man, most of whose followers are under 45 years old, who are fairly -- >> who never heard of him a year ago. >> they are still the future of
the democratic party. >> are they democrats? >> that's the thing. remember he still is an independent. >> some democrats have voiced their frustration with sanders right now. they're saying he's putting the party's interest after his own. bernie is not a democrat. can people get that through their head. his mission is to move the platform further left to his socialist ideas. i like bernie. >> bernie wants to be the ideas king maker. he wants to now decide the platform. he doesn't have any illusions. >> income inequality, free
college. >> how about an idea? the idea, it's not an original idea. it's a big demand. >> his demand. >> every state university will get a check for everybody that applies to these universities. >> we need to have an entire other conversation about whether any of this is realistic. all the followers he stirred up -- >> they will get a check from the government larger than their own tax payment. >> that's not happening. >> historical memory is so short that socialism seems like a new idea. >> back to the future aspect to this. >> and a physical resemblance. >> i think he's smart to do all these things. >> he's testing the democrats on his side patience.
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>> maybe we'll pull out of saudi arabia someday. >> i've been off the campaign trail, i keep going to meetings where people ask, what is donald trump going to do as president? the conversation almost immediately switches to hillary, either because people here don't believe trump is going to win or they have no idea what on earth he'd actually do. >> hillary clinton and her advisers are working on culling their list of vp candidates. bernie sanders is not on the list. elizabeth warren's on the list, other familiar names -- tim kaine, tom perez. a couple of wild cards on the list. los angeles mayor eric garcetti is one of the contender -- >> do you believe all of that stuff? salting the mine. every ethnic group in america gets a little taste. i don't believe it's ever going to happen. thank you for giving us the long list. michael steele and indera, thank you. let me finish with the need to act in the aftermath of tragedy. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.
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let me finish tonight with a paradox. gun rights supporters argue gun control or gun safety supporters exploit tragedy. they exploit the horror of mass shootings to exact the bill of rights. of course they do but why shouldn't they? one thing i've learned watching american politics is that nothing gets done unless it's necessary that it get done. one classic example was the deal president reagan made with
speicher of the house at this point o'neal in 1983 to save the social security fund. what made that bipartisan effort work was money was running out in the system and republicans were getting whacked on the issue and whacked hard. given that we have to imagine what urgency would trigger a bipartisan push to restrict gun purchases. the one in hand right now might be just the one the doctor ordered. can you think of any politician in the country wants to protect the right of suspected terrorists to easy access to semiautomatic weapons, to buy them, and once again faced with a terrorist mass shooting is there really a majority in the congress truly opposed to keeping guns out of the hands of suspected terrorists? the fact is there are politicians in the the congress who believe no one should be denied his or her second amendment rights without due process of law. they don't want to see a police agency like the fbi holding the authority to rights, they want something like a search warrant to enforce such rulings. the real obstacle is the resistance by a large number of
house and senate members to do anything on gun safety for fear of incurring the wrath of the nra. that is the real american fact of life that keeps guns of all kinds out there for anyone who wants to buy one. even in the aftermath of this tragedy. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes," starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> this is too tough to do it alone, but i think i'm going to be forced to. >> donald trump's fight with the party he leads. >> we're just asking him if they can't do that, then shut the hell up. >> tonight new reporting the growing tensions between trump and the rnc. plus the president visits victims at orlando and takes on donald trump. >> the notion that the answer to this tragedy would be to make sure that more people in a nightclub are similarly armed to the killer -- defies common